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Robin Astle

September 2018

by Robin Astle.

FBHVC 2018 Newsletter No 3

Editorial by Geoff Lancaster

When I travel round the country meeting club members at events, politicians wanting briefings and journalists following the historic vehicle scene they are often surprised at the amount and scope of the work we do given the relatively modest resources available to us. We have one paid person, Emma, our tireless secretary. Our other officials are all volunteers. Our income to fund our political campaigns, DVLA liaison, our various communications channels, the Heritage Engineering Academy at Bicester and much more, comes almost entirely from club subscriptions to the Federation. We increase these annually but only at the rate of inflation. So for the forthcoming year each member club will contribute 46p pence for each qualifying member. I sincerely hope you feel it is worthwhile your club making this contribution on your behalf to an organisation dedicated to protecting your right to use the public highway.

I say, ‘almost entirely’ because we also have Trade Supporters, and Museum members who contribute to the funds and even Individual Supporters who feel strongly about our work and make private donations.

However, it is becoming increasingly challenging to balance the books given the ever expanding agenda, so we are delighted to be able to announce a new category of supporter… Commercial Partner. Commercial Partners are to be significant businesses involved with the historic vehicle movement who recognise the value in supporting the work of the Federation. Their alignment with us is recognition not only of the commercial value this brings them but also it demonstrates their shared values with us in preserving the culture enshrined within historic vehicles. They will bring value to the Federation through their financial support but also to all our clubs and associates through exclusive ‘members only’ offers.

It is with great pleasure that we can announce the appointment of our first four Commercial Partners. Stewart Miller and Peter James Insurance are our insurance partner, Duckhams is our lubrication partner, King Dick is our tools partner, and Bicester Heritage becomes our Commercial Partner by dint of its hosting of the Heritage Engineering Academy and its tremendous support for the Heritage Engineering Apprenticeship from its inception. You can check them all out now on our website, and keep an eye out for the club and member offers.

Drive It Day - NB

I know clubs like to organise their events diaries well in advance, especially when venue bookings are involved, so here’s some important news about Drive It Day 2019… Next year because of the Easter date clash DiD will be a week later on the 28th April.

Legislation & Fuels Bob Owen

Clean Air Matters LEZs

There has been no major development on this front during the past months, though assorted consultations grind on.

MOTs and IVAs

And now I have some good news. I reported in the last edition on the issue by DfT of a consultation entitled ‘Road Vehicles: Improving Air Quality and Safety’.

This Consultation included poorly thought out proposals to limit, through changes to the MOT test, the ability of Kit Cars and some other totally ill-defined ‘classic’ vehicles to obtain IVAs (Individual Vehicle Approval).

I explained how the Federation had responded in a robust manner. Whether it was our efforts or the sheer volume of protest these proposals aroused, I am happy to report the DfT has confirmed that these proposals will not be proceeded with. They must have arisen in the first place from a concern in some quarters at the continuing use of some old engines in what might be effectively new cars.

They did not understand the reason for the use of these historic engines and are unlikely to be happy to accept them now. So the Federation will keep an eye on their possible return in another form.

MOT Procedures

And finally, the Federation is aware that there has been concern around the recently updated MOT procedures, particularly because the importance of failures designated as ‘dangerous’ has been emphasised.

While it is the view of the Federation that these changes do not amount to significant change in the MOT requirements, they make it particularly important for owners to ensure that MOT testing of historic vehicles is undertaken by testers who understand the differences between historic and contemporary vehicles. In that respect we draw your attention to the list of ‘Historic Friendly Testing Stations’ on our website. We would also take this opportunity to renew our invitation for members to offer recommended additions to this list.

DVLA by Ian Edmunds

The Federation is now in a position to properly explain a topic previously only mentioned in passing. It may be recalled that over the last few months I have made some cryptic references to the potential pitfalls that could arise from modifying a monocoque bodyshell. During that period the Federation has been involved in discussion with DVLA and with the owners and clubs involved with two particular cars. From that we are now in a position to provide much clearer guidance.

Regardless of what may have happened in the past, any alterations to a monocoque bodyshell will be considered by DVLA to fall within the ‘radically altered’ category and the rules set out therein will apply (see INF26 and As a result, DVLA will cancel the vehicle’s original identity, require the vehicle to be marked with a DVLA VIN, the vehicle will be required to obtain an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) and a ’Q’ registration will be issued

If the vehicle is already registered the existing registration will be withdrawn.

The two instances referred to concerned saloons or coupes converted to convertibles but the same approach would apply to saloons converted to pickups and other similar changes.

Exactly the same principle would apply to modified chassis and indeed to modified frames for motorcycles.

FBHVC are fully aware that for the large majority of historic vehicles it is not possible to obtain an IVA without expensive and significant modifications which would in any case destroy the historic integrity of the vehicle.

Thus the only conclusion can be ‘don’t do it!’

Discussions continue with DVLA about how this policy can best be brought to the attention of vehicle owners as FBHVC feel that currently it is not generally appreciated that modifications of this nature will bring the vehicle within the ambit of the ‘radically altered’ rules.

On other matters, DVLA have very helpfully provided correct contact details and post codes for some other routine activities in addition to those for First registration applications, changes to registered vehicles and V765 and Reconstructed classic applications given in the last edition. These are -

Fee paying EnquiriesSA99 1AJ
Changes on a Vehicles Registration Certificate/documentSA99 1BA
Notification of Sale; Transfer or SORNSA99 1AR
Taxation teamSA99 1DZ
Change of name/address on driving licenceSA99 1BN
Apply for a duplicate/exchange or renew a driving licenceSA99 1AB
Renew a driving licence over 70SA99 1AA

As noted in the last edition, talks continue on a number of other matters notable among which are the apparently increasing difficulties being experienced by clubs and members in registering vehicles which were originally exported to their destination countries in CKD form and which are now being imported into the UK. I hope to be able to report more fully on these in the next edition.



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